I got the IT contract and told agent to stuff it

Told Agent to Stuff It

A reader got a contract and then told agent to stuff it.

This appeared as comments after one of our articles.

Same Experience

I had the exact same experience with an agent.

First of all, he was very doubtful about my ability to do the job even though I had years of experience, so he had to interview me personally and he constantly stressed that I would be given a technical test at the client interview.

Wonderful Interview

Turned out I had a wonderful interview experience with the client, they had confidence I can do the job and never mentioned giving a technical test and they were already thinking about the additional tasks they could ask me to do.

I walked away with a job offer in my pocket.

When I got home my agent kept beating the bush to find out if I actually wanted the job with the low rate they had initially told me.

He kept pushing me to accept the lower rate and I was given a next day decision time frame.

Declined His Offer

Although the contract was pretty good, I decided to decline the offer mainly because I hated the way I was treated by this pushy and mean-talking agent and I wasn’t going to make his life so easy.

I emailed him the next day and told him I had accepted another job offer and asked him not to consider me available any more.

I know I’m pretty marketable so I don’t regret what I did to myself when I told agent to stuff it.

I am a respectable agent of 20 years standing

This was placed as Comments after one of our articles by a respectable agent.

Respectable Agent

I work for an Engineering Recruitment Agency, and have done the same job for the last 20 years.

I have a very good reputation, and both clients and contractors return to me time and time again.

Please do not tar us all with the same brush.

I could sit here and list a dozen or so Agencies who I would advise you do not touch with a bargepole as their actions p*ss me off no end, but that would be unprofessional of me.

Go Direct Then

May I just point out though, to all those who cite the line ‘you make money for doing nothing, so I may as well work for the client direct’.

Fine.

Do you honestly think you will get paid weekly?

Do you honestly think WE get paid weekly?

Bad Debts

In my 7 years of working for my present company we have had no less than 15 clients go bust on us owing well over 200K.

That’s why we charge for our services. It’s called risk factor.

While all you guys get your pay cheques weekly, we wait on average 3 months to get paid.

Let’s see how long you would last working ‘direct’.

How the IT Contracting Market really works

IT Contracting Market

From a reader in response to our article ‘Tips for Getting a Good IT Contract Rate’.

How the IT Contracting Market works now:

1. You refuse to set a fixed rate, agent doesn’t put your forward – end of game.

2. You try to up your rate, agent says you have gone elsewhere and puts forward another candidate.

Mid contract …

Client insists you take a 10% rate cut or give notice.

At renewal ….

1. Your moron agent doesn’t return your calls or e-mails.

2. New contract arrives in the post.

3. No-one, client or agent will even discuss it.

4. You refuse to sign. Get another contract and leave on one weeks notice.

5. Two months later the same agent sends you an e-mail about a new contract opportunity.

Broken Market

Honestly the whole IT Contracting market is broken.

90% of the contracts advertised don’t exist.

Agencies and agents are a waste of time with constant spam e-mails and stupid phone calls.

They treat their contractors like BT treat their phone customers, with hidden contempt and loathing.

The market is ripe for a new business model. There are some interesting sparks on the horizon.

Aggressive agent – How I sorted Him Out

Aggressive Agent

This article, about an aggressive agent, is from the Forums of the now defunct www.ComputerContractor.net.

I had an agent like that in London and I told him I would come down to London and find him.

I turned up in the reception and asked for him.

The ponce wouldn’t come out of the office.

One of the girlies came out and told me he was in a meeting all day.

I told her about it and why I was there.

Three Months’ Contract

I asked her if he always mouths off down the phone and hides behind girls when it bites him back. I said I would wait.

The girl was amused and I’m sure it didn’t do his street cred any good.

I never got any more lip from this particular agent – and I did do a 3 month contract with the agency just after that.

They are tough on the phone 250 miles away but turn to mush when you take them to task.

So much for this aggressive agent.

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Lying Agent – How I scuppered Him

Lying Agent

By a reader in response to one of our articles.

Well Known Agency

I have had an odd experience recently, in that two agencies contacted me with positions that I was well qualified for.

I dutifully sent off my CV, and heard no more.

On another occasion, I had a call from a well-known agency about some work in London.

Agency Trickery

As usual, we debated the rate, but I held fast.

The agency said it would submit my details.

Another agency rang me, and offered to check whether I had been submitted.

No, I had not been. The lying agency had not done it.

The second agency submitted me, and I got the contract, at my preferred rate.

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Greedy agency cost me my IT Contract

Greedy Agency

From a reader.

Paid More Than MD

I had a situation a couple of years ago after working on a company site for 6 months.

The company’s accountant, with whom I had a good rapport, informed me that the MD of the company was kicking up as I was costing the company more than he was paid.

It turned out that the agency (they handle a lot of purchasing roles) were keeping 60% of the fee.

Lost Contract

I had a go and told them if they halved the charge rate and took a token fee the company would keep me on.

They declined the offer and I lost a very enjoyable job.

IR35 investigations normally take years to complete

IR35 Investigations

According to the Office for Tax Simplification, when reporting to the Government:-

“Data shows that, for cases settled in 2009/10 or 2010/11, almost half took over 142 weeks to complete, and approximately one in five lasted for more than four years.

“This is clearly very stressful for the taxpayer, who wants to concentrate on his business.

“It is usually not possible for HMRC to give generic rulings on the IR35 status of a group of workers as the position of each may be different”.

IR35 Status

This is ridiculous.

It doesn’t make any sense.

It must take up a lot of HMRC’s resources for a tax that raises £1m a year.

It’s bureaucracy gone mad.

Imagine more than half of investigations taking at least 2 years, 8 and a half months.

Imagine what the contractor investigated is going through during that time.

Some common sense needs to be used here.

Get real. Computer Programming is easy

Computer Programming

This article, Get Real, Computer Programming Is Easy, was posted by a reader as comments after one of our articles.

Computer Programmers

Look boys and girls this guy is right you have ALL got to wake up to the realities of the REAL world.

At the end of the day computer programming et al is basically glorified car mechanics.

My wife speaks three languages and earns £20K / year. Each of her languages consist of thousands of words.

Computer Languages Easy

Computer languages consist of tens of words at most.

Think about it. If it is so difficult how can so called uneducated third world people be taken out of fields and be trained in such vast quantities to do it.

The answer, because computer programming is not that HARD.

Views of an Ex Computer Programmer

I am an ex-computer programmer that has moved in to project management and I am positioning myself to move into the general management of the business.

WHY, because it is HARDER to outsource as it is less easily learned and has more culturally dependent IT skills.

If I can offer you all one further tip, we have all been SPOILT by quite frankly ridiculous money for what is basically something which is very easy.

Golden Days of Computer Programming Over

SUPPLY is now starting to catch DEMAND and guess what everyone, the golden days are NEVER EVER coming back.

STOP wasting your energy on moaning and instead start focusing on how you can re-position yourself to start adding REAL value in this new world!

Computer Programming is Easy. That’s why they can get hundreds of thousands of third world workers to do it. Learn a new skill that is less easily replicated.

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Crazy reason for agency not putting me forward

Crazy Reason

Crazy Reason for Agency Not Putting Me Forward was posted as Comments by a reader.

Contract Role

I once applied for an IT Contract role during the downturn, with the junior agent protecting her senior counterpart from me.

Finally she told me sheepishly that I probably didn’t make their shortlist because the client might be worried that I had been out of work for 4 months!

No credit for the full employment over the previous 10 years, or that my last contract in a highly relevant role had been for 3.5 years.

I was on the scrap heap because I hadn’t found a job in 4 months

Only Relevant Roles

Certainly wasn’t down to me not trying, I only applied for those roles that I truly believed I should be in with a shout of, so as to not waste agents’ time, but still I had a wodge of double-sided paper an inch thick for those jobs.

Total sum was that maybe 10 of those I was put forward for – who the hell were ALL these people allegedly so much more experienced.

Even when put forward, half of the agents still wouldn’t return my calls to ask progress.

What a crazy reason for the agency not to put me forward.

Contractors and Agents are like husbands and wives

Husbands and Wives

An agent gives his prognosis on the relationship.

This appeared as Comments after an article.

We Control Market

The simple fact of the matter, is whether IT contractors likes it or not, agencies control the contract market.

It is extremely difficult to get an IT contract role without an agency.

Good Product

Secondly, a good agent sees a good contractor as a good product.

As an agent, I know my reliable contractors and treat them as such.

I will work my ass off to get them another contract and refer them to friends who are also agents or directly to clients who aren’t using but I know are recruiting.

Give and Take

Their has to be a bit of give and take in our relationship.

I know without my best contractors I will not make any money and my good contractors should know that without a good agent who has good clients they won’t get any contracts.

Husbands and Wives Relationship

Contractors and Agents are like husbands and wives.

You don’t have to love each other but we can at least learn to live with one another.

A divorce ends up with nobody happy and both of us out-of-pocket.